Does Glucosamine Work?

By September 20, 2010Supplements

Does Glucosamine Work?

A recent study published in the British Medical Journal suggests the popular joint pain supplement glucosamine is ineffective, which brings up the question I’m often asked:  does glucosamine work?

First off, let’s define what we’re talking about.  The reason why people take glucosamine is they’re having joint pain, which can be caused by a lot of different things.  One of the potential causes is something called osteoarthritis or DJD (degenerative joint disease).

WHAT IS DJD?

I prefer the term DJD to osteoarthritis, partly because it’s easier to type, but mostly because it’s a more descriptive term and less likely to confuse people.  “Arthritis” is a general term, and a lot of people simply say they’ve “got arthritis” without knowing what KIND of arthritis they have.  Osteoarthritis is very, very different from Rheumatoid arthritis, but they’re often confused, so let’s define the terms.

DJD or osteoarthritis is, simply put, wear-and-tear arthritis.  It’s the arthritis of overuse.  Think of a marathon runner who doesn’t have any cartilage left in their knees, and you’re getting the picture.  Essentially, you’ve been breaking down the supporting structures of the joint faster than your body can replace those damaged bits, and by slow degrees, you’ve “degenerated”, or worn out, that joint.

Rheumatoid arthritis, on the other hand, is an autoimmune condition in which the body attacks itself.  One way you can tell the difference is that RA affects many joints all over, while DJD only affects one or two joints (the ones you’re over-using).  There’s blood tests that will tell you the difference too.

The point is, DJD is the slow wearing down of the joint.  Specifically, the cartilage that cushions and protects the joint.  And, as that cartilage wears away, you start to get bones grinding on bones.  Ouch.

HOW DOES GLUCOSAMINE WORK?

The basic idea behind glucosamine supplementation is to make it much easier for your body to create cartilage.  Glucosamine is a precursor for glucosaminoglycans (try saying THAT with a mouthful of marbles!), which are a big ingredient in cartilage.

It’s kind of difficult to make cartilage.  Your body tends to do it pretty slowly.  So, the theory goes, if we give the body tons of the building blocks of cartilage, the body will be able to make cartilage more quickly and perhaps keep up with that slow degeneration associated with DJD.  Or, if we’re lucky, even reverse that decline and build up a surplus of cartilage to replace what’s already been lost.

That’s the idea, at least.  But does glucosamine really work?

LATEST STUDY ON GLUCOSAMINE

This British Medical Journal study took a look at the use of glucosamine and another common co-supplement, chondroitin, to see if people were getting any pain relief.  They also took a look at seeing if there was any increase in joint space (from more cartilage being formed, which doesn’t show up on an Xray but will make the space between bones look bigger).

Their findings were not encouraging.  They found very small, clinically insignificant differences in pain from placebo.  They didn’t find much at all for increase in joint space.  Their conclusion?  Glucosamine doesn’t work.  Chuck it out the window.

But is their study any good?

The researchers used what’s called a meta-analysis, which isn’t a term for the Monster Truck of studies. It basically just means you add up other people’s research.  In a regular study, I take a bunch of people and call them “subjects” and do stuff to them I can measure and compare to a control group.  In other words, I generate data.

In a meta-analysis, I take the data from your study, and another guy’s study, and his friend’s study, and their second cousin’s barber’s study, and any other study I can find, and use that.  Rather than generate data, I borrow it from other people.

The upside is, wow, now I’ve got tons of really, really cheap data.  I don’t have to recruit unsuspecting schulbs to be in my study, or pay for materials, or really do much of anything.  Awesome.

The downside is, my results can very, very easily be skewed in an inaccurate direction.  What if I pick only those research articles that support my position, and leave out the ones that might disagree with me?  That’s hardly accurate.  And it happens a lot more than you think.

Oh, it’s not always due to an evil desire to confuse people just for the sake of getting published. Researchers get attached to their ideas.  Often, they will “discard” studies they feel don’t meet up to their standards, when really, those studies just disagreed with their pre-conceived ideas.

I bring this up because these researchers’ findings conflict somewhat with my clinical experience with glucosamine.  So let me share that with you and why I think a lot of studies are flawed when it comes to this particular supplement.

MY RESULTS WITH GLUCOSAMINE

Put most simply, about fifty-fifty.  About half of people who try out glucosamine end up seeing some results.  It doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s the sulfate version, chondroitin, or if they add in MSM (a common co-supplement for joint pain).

What DOES matter is that they take the stuff religiously for six to eight weeks at LEAST to find out if it’s going to work.  And, they need to spread the dose out during the day.  Glucosamine usually comes in 500 mg tablets, and you need 1500 mg a day as a typical therapeutic dose, so you take a tablet with breakfast, lunch and dinner.

And when I say take it religiously, I mean it.  Don’t miss one dose.  And after about two months, you’ll have a fifty-fifty shot at whether or not it works.

So the first question is, did these British researchers pick studies for their meta-analysis that followed those guidelines?  All I can see in their abstract (study summary) is that they chose studies with a large sample size (over 200 subjects).  Nothing about length of time, dosage used, or any of the other details that can derail any sort of clinical regimen.

If something works, but you don’t use it right… it doesn’t work!

INCREASE YOUR ODDS

Here’s a little something extra from your buddy Healthy Andy.  You can increase your odds of making glucosamine effective by making sure you add in light to moderate exercise while you take that supplement.

Wait, what? Didn’t I say earlier that DJD came from overuse?  And now I’m telling you to use the very joint that’s been broken down by overuse?

That’s right.  Because you didn’t break it down with use.  You broke it down with OVERUSE.

Here’s the secret to building up any area of the body you want to.  There are three basic components that interact to create growth: the signal to grow, the material needed to grow, and the opportunity to use that material to grow.

The signal to grow is called stress.  Exercise is a really just stressing the body to signal it that it needs to grow.  That’s all.  It’s the body’s reaction to that stress that leads to the actual growth of tissue.

So first you signal the body.  Then, of course, the body needs the physical building blocks to make it happen.  This is different for various tissues (muscle, bone, tendon, whatever), but in the case of DJD, we’re talking cartilage so we’re also talking glucosamine.

Lastly, you have to give the body a freakin’ chance to actually do its work.  We call this “rest”, and it’s an often-ignored part of physical training, because it sounds lazy and you can’t sell books or DVDs called “Get Ripped And Huge With Rest!”.

HOW TO MAKE CARTILAGE GROW

Therefore, if we want cartilage to grow, not only do we need to provide the materials (like glucosamine), but also we must SIGNAL the body that it needs to actually USE those materials for something.

It doesn’t do me a damn bit of good to suck down gobs and gobs of protein powder if I never bother to work out.  So why should just popping glucosamine pills help me if I never signal the body to build up that joint?  Again, we signal the body to build up a joint with stress (exercise).

The tricky part is, we don’t want to put so much stress on the joint that we continue to break it down.  So the dance is, find the right amount of stress to signal the body for growth while not overwhelming an already weak area.

A good rule of thumb is, let discomfort be your guide.  Light to moderate is the buzzword, and the other key phrase is “to tolerance”.  That means, don’t go until it hurts.  If you put discomfort on a scale from one to ten, one being “I notice it, but I only barely notice it” and ten being “Oh Dear God, I feel like I am burning alive, please shoot me!”, then don’t let your discomfort go past a one.

Walking and light swimming are good choices.  Anything that’s low-impact.  But make sure you’re using the affected joint- walking isn’t going to help your elbow.  For resistance training, use light weights and slow movement.  Explosive, sudden moves are out, as is heavy lifting.

And then you simply slowly, gradually add more stress over time, just like you would if you were recovering from a muscle strain.  Except that cartilage recovers at a much slower rate than muscle, so account for that in your progression of training.

That, my friends, is where I think most of glucosamine research is flawed.  Everybody just shoves pills down peoples’ throats and nobody bothers to actually have those people send the signal to their bodies to actually USE those pills.

So does glucosamine work? Like I said, in my experience, it’s about fifty-fifty whether this stuff will help you.  If you follow my recommendations on exercise, you might boost those odds a little bit.  But either way, glucosamine isn’t going to hurt you, so I usually tell people to give it a shot.

Please feel free to share you experiences with glucosamine in the comments section below, and if you have friends or family with DJD-related joint pain, be sure to pass this article on to them!

Stay healthy!

P.S.  Here’s the link to that study:  http://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c4675

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  • Anne says:

    Funny that glucosamine has been working in dogs cats adn horses for longer than humans have been using, it but no one wants to look at THOSE animals studies yet animals studies are used for everything else?

  • nt says:

    @ Anne- What was the sample size of the dogs, cats and horses, and how was the follow-up questionnaire delivered? In dogspeak, catinese or horsey-horse? C’mon now? Something that has a “50/50” chance of helping you is the same as a weather report that says, “there’s a 50% CHANCE of showers tomorrow morning and tapering off in the afternoon.” At $20 a bottle and no scientific proof either way, it’s not a very good bet that it can do much except make you think it’s working, maybe.

  • admin says:

    @nt, you make a mistake in logic. When I say that I see about 50% of people who use glucosamine getting results, that doesn’t mean that normally 50% of people recover from DJD spontaneously. Quite the opposite. Typically, ZERO percent of people recover from DJD without intervention.

    Just because there are two potential outcomes for an intervention (person who takes glucosamine sees results/does not see results) that have about a 50/50 split doesn’t mean that the two potential outcomes for NO intervention (person does NOT take glucosamine and either recovers/does not recover) is also 50/50. As I said, the spontaneous recovery rate for DJD is basically nil.

    As an extreme example, if you were told you’d just contracted a dread disease that kills nearly 100% of those infected that are left untreated, but there is a treatment available that saves half of those who take it, would you try it out? I’m guessing yes. 50% isn’t a great success rate, but it’s better than 0%.

  • maryann says:

    Excellent informative article! I’m going to give glucosamine a try.

  • admin says:

    Thanks Maryann! Let us all know how you do!

  • Charlie says:

    Very interesting article. I have used Glucosamine supplements with various additives in the past while i was a member of a gym. I had what i would call limited success but your advice on light exercise makes sense as it is my thumbs that are affected and a hours on a runnung machine and numerous lengths in the swimming pool obviously did nothing for my thumbs.
    I have obtained a Power Ball and will now give it another go.
    I opted in the past for Glucosamine with Chondroiton, any comments.

  • admin says:

    Thanks for writing, Charlie! As far as Glucosamine chondriotin vs glucosamine sulfate, frankly, I haven’t seen any real difference clinically. I’ve heard arguments for each but in the field, there doesn’t seem to be any appreciable difference.

    Let us know how you do with adding the power ball into the mix!

  • Douglass says:

    I had both knees scoped around 10 years ago due to general accumulated wear and tear. The cartilage behind my knee caps was wearing off and causing discomfort. Both surgeons recommended Glucosamine. At the time, they said the jury was still out on the rebuilding aspect, but it was worth a shot and they felt there were positive indications about possible lubricating qualities. I have been taking Glucosamine and MSM ever since. I am definitely in the stress, rest, rebuild and repeat camp. I ran for 20 years and then switched to cycling when my neck and low back became less tolerant of running. I got scoped 6 years after making the switch. Since then I have continued to cycle, ski, rock climb and practice yoga on a regular basis. I can’t say that I could still do it all without the surgeries, but I am 10 years post op and I have no knee discomfort whatsoever. At this point, my take is that the Glucosamine is increasing the positive benefit of the surgeries and I am not going to rock the boat.

  • admin says:

    Douglass, thanks for sharing your story. Glad to hear you’ve found a solution to your problem (sounds like chondromalacia patella, which is a real bugger for most people) and most importantly, that you’ve kept active past your surgery… too many people give up on themselves at that point and the inactivity REALLY does them in.

  • Stewart says:

    From high school to my early forties I was a runner, a competitive runner. My job often called me to work on concrete floors 14 or more hour per day. But no matter, even if I got off work at 10:30 at night I would go out for a five mile run anyway. Well, surprise of all surprises, I eventually ended up with ankle pain (esp. in my left ankle) and my good response was to keep on running. It got to where my anke was hurting all the time even when I was not on it. About a year ago I went in for ankle surgery that if it did anything only made the problem worse. The ankle has been hurting for years. I’d heard about glucosamine and somebody gave me a bottle of the liquid stuff almost a year ago so I started taking it about 3 weeks ago.. Maybe it’s just my imagination (I doubt it, I was a skeptic) but the last few days were the first time in years I felt no pain in my ankles. I’m as sold as I’ve ever been on anything. Here’s hoping it’s not my imagination because if it is, all the good “symptoms” will go away.

  • admin says:

    Stewart, those concrete floors are a killer. Even when companies put down those rubber “anti-fatigue” mats, they’re still a real problem. But I’m glad to hear you’re getting some results… give it a good six to eight weeks and see if you’re still feeling good. Thanks for stopping by and sharing!

  • Ian says:

    I tried glucosamine a few years back with absolutely no results. However, our 13 year old pooch was struggling a bit, all the symptoms of arthritis, and last November, the vet suggested giving glucosamine HCL a try. Now, being a skeptic, I was not prepared for any success whatsoever, but amazingly our faithful dish-licker showed immediate results. Like after a couple of days. Which shouldn’t be possible, given it should normally take at least a fortnight. I loath ‘miracle cure’ stories with a passion but the damn dog is hopping about like a stupid puppy.

    On the strength of that, I decided to give it another go so I’ve been on them myself for a month now, and yes, with moderate exercise. Nothing. Nada, Zilch. Diddly-squat.

    Should have been born a dog!

  • admin says:

    Sorry to hear that didn’t work out for you, Ian, but at least your dog made out okay!

  • Christine Adler says:

    I too was very skeptical about take glucosamine but a few years back my knees began to hurt when I would do squats or just run up and down steps. I began taking glucosamine and within 2 weeks no longer had any pain. Although I have given up quatting with heavy weights, I still have to go up and down steps and no longer even feel a twinge. I then went away on vacation for 2 weeks and completely forgot about taking the vitamin with me. I don’t know if it was my imagination or what but both of my knees hurt again. I implemented them back into my daily intake and again within 2 weeks no more joint trouble. Do you think it is just my imagination?

  • Anita says:

    I used glucosamine a couple of years ago and found it really helped my knee pain. So, after about 8 months with little pain – I stopped using it (silly me). It took several months, but, not surprisingly, the pain has returned. So, I am back on it – only been on a week or two so no change yet, but if it works like last time i will be in good shape in another month.

  • admin says:

    Hi Christine! Whether or not the benefits you feel are your imagination are hard to tell. The fact that you saw results when you took the supplement, and had symptoms return when you did not, only to have the benefit again once you started, does seem to indicate that you’re seeing some benefit. Some might argue a placebo effect, though, since the effect was so rapid and glucosamine usually works a bit more slowly.

    However, I have seen quick results with gluscosamine in my practice on occasion. My advice is, if it works, stick with it. One of the nice things about glucosamine is that there are no side effects, so there’s no downside to taking the supplement.

  • admin says:

    Thanks for sharing your results, Anita! These kinds of reports really help people get a real-world picture of how people respond to a supplement like glucosamine.

  • Kfish19 says:

    I am a big fan of the idea that if it works on dogs and horse, for whom any placebo effect would not likely last beyond a second or two, it is likely to work on humans as well.

  • admin says:

    That’s a pretty good point. We humans do tend to outsmart ourselves sometimes, don’t we!

  • hainicai says:

    I am not a doctor but just from talking to old folks (like myself) who took glucosamine, I feel the rate is better than 50%. But my sample is skewed to one particular ethnicity (Chinese) and your sample may be general usa, so…

    What I have noticed, with myself, is how fast the effect of glucosamine is. The discomfort/pain/weakness usually disappears with a few hours after each dose (I take two pills every third day), and come back after a couple of days. Maybe I should take it every day. This doesn’t seem to be the case with my other body components, I mean, the sensitivity and feedback on growth. Maybe the pain/weakness, or at least feeling it, is not caused by the loss of cartilage but some other signals.

  • admin says:

    You make a good point… rates of success may vary due to cultural differences. We Americans love to eat junk food, and junk food increases the inflammatory response of the body, so for Americans, what should be a small pain becomes a bigger pain. My understanding is the Chinese diet is a lot better than the typical American diet.

    I do find it interesting that you have such a rapid response. I wonder if there are other ingredients in your supplement that may be easing your symptoms as well? Or hey, maybe you’re just lucky and get fast results! Either way, I’m glad you found a solution to your joint pain and I’m glad you shared your results with us!

  • Chris says:

    What are your thoughts about HLA? Should it be used in conjunction with the glucosamine or by itself. Also, what exactly is it?

  • admin says:

    HLA is hyaluronic acid, a sort of gooey substance that’s used by the body in a lot of structural components. It’s also an important part of synovial fluid, which is the lubricating fluid in the joints.

    I’ve seen some research on injected HLA into arthritic knees that showed some clinical value, but as far as an oral supplement goes, there’s little to nothing out there as far as research goes. I don’t see any reason not to take glucosamine with it, that should be fine; but really, I don’t see much evidence in support of taking HLA at all. That’s why I haven’t used it clinically. Just because the substance works when it is injected doesn’t mean it will be useable in an oral supplement… the digestive process may break it down to useless components. Hope that info is helpful!

  • Gramma Sue says:

    I’m 52 years old and was in a car accident in Dec (2010). I injured my back and have been going for physio twice a week since then. The CAT scan showed no fractures, but a bulging disc, in my lower back. I never had any back pain before this accident. My physician was quite surprised as I he also informed me that I have osteoarthritis in my lower back- which is where most of my severe pain has been centered. So, I am just beginning a regime of glucosamine. I cannot sit or stand for longer than 15 minutes at a time without a lot of discomfort, but now that the weather is nicer, am going to try and get out and start walking just short distances. I will take your advice on the exercise with the glucosamine. Thanks for the great article! I do miss my old back…:-(

  • admin says:

    Sorry to hear about your accident, Gramma Sue… I do a lot of work with car crash injuries and they can be a real bear to deal with. Good luck with your glucosamine experiment, and remember, keep the activity mild so you don’t irritate things more!

  • Colin says:

    I am 65 and broke an ankle a year ago. Told to take Glucosamine by specialist treating me to repace cartilage. I am diebetic (type 2). Is glucoamine safe for diebetics or is the 50/50 chance of success worth the risk ?.

  • admin says:

    Hi Colin, the most recent studies indicate no safety issues for Type 2 diabetics taking glucosamine, so you’re fine. I always suggest making sure your doctor is aware of any supplements you are taking due to potential interaction with other medications you may be taking (and if you have multiple doctors, be sure you tell them, because they don’t always talk amongst themselves).

  • Matt says:

    I have been a runner for about 25 years. I have just begun to experience moderate pain in the inside of my right knee (feels like the inner joint between the tibia and femur). I am guessing it is cartilage. It is occasionally painful enough to cause me to limp slightly. I have bought an industrial size bottle of Glucosamine and started taking it today. For the time being I have given up running. I plan to exercise through cycling and swimming. I will let you know how i get on.

  • admin says:

    Matt, I’m looking forward to hearing about your results, and I appreciate that you are sharing those results with the group! I do think it is a good idea to focus on low or non-impact exercise for the time being to allow your body some time to recover. In fact, for most of my long term runners, I tell them it’s a good idea to add in cross-training with lower impact exercise (that usually ends up being biking or swimming, because lots of runners are also triathletes) about 30-40% of the time.

  • Matt says:

    Please advise as I have confused myself. I have been playing racquetball, pretty intense, (3-5 times/week) for about 2 years now. After about a year and a half I was worried my joints may begin to take a toll, but I was NOT feeling any discomfort or pain. So, I began with glucosamine (and multi-vitamin) as a preventative measure. I am almost done with my second bottle of glucosamine now. The problem is I have been experiencing slight to sometimes moderate discomfort in my knees and ankles for about two months now. Andy have you heard of a similiar situation? Is this coinsidence, or maybe placebo? Please share your thoughts. By the way, I turn 27 this month. Hopefully my age is not catching up to me…

    Thanks and great web-site!

    Matt

  • Andrea says:

    I’ve had mild pain in my left knee for many years and I’ve thought about starting glucosamine. Do you have to keep taking it 3 times a day for the rest of your life or can you take less once you’re feeling better? If it does help build cartilage, I would think that you wouldn’t have to keep taking it once the cartilage was rebuilt. Thanks for your input.

  • admin says:

    Interesting question, Matt. First off, it’s not the age, it’s the mileage… and racquetball is pretty rough on the knees and ankles. It may just have taken two years’ worth of abuse to finally get to the point where you are breaking cartilage down faster than you’re building it up for a long enough time to actually start to feel it. Of course, I can’t give you any sort of diagnosis or comprehensive exam over the internet, so I’d start with checking in with your family doctor and see what he has to say… he may send you to a physiatrist or orthropedist.

    As far as the relation to glucosamine… also hard to tell. There may be no connection. You may be one of those cases where glucosamine has no effect, or you may be breaking yourself down with racquetball faster than the glucosamine can keep pace with building back up. Try backing off on your intensity of racquetball for a few weeks, and give yourself at least three days between games for that time span, and see what you notice. It could just be a matter of too much, too often.

  • admin says:

    Hi Andrea, the answer is it depends. I want you to think of it like this. Wear and tear is constantly breaking your cartilage down, and your body is trying to keep up with replacing it. If the body can’t keep up, you’ll get a wearing down over time. With glucosamine, hopefully what you get is a faster pace of replacement, so you can “make up for lost time”.

    For some folks, taking glucosamine for a while will show some results, and then they don’t need it any longer after that… at least, not for a while. This is especially true if the symptoms were mild to begin with. Basically, you reset the clock, and now if your rate of breaking down doesn’t outpace your rate of building up, you’ll be fine. The problem comes if you go right back to a heavy rate of breakdown (through lots of physical stress) or you have a decreased rate of building up (which is where age does actually come in to a certain level).

    Sorry for the long answer to a short question, but remember, the body is very dynamic, which complicates things. The cartilage can be rebuilt today, but will start breaking down again if the stress you put on it overwhelms your body’s ability to keep pace with replacing it. You’ll have to experiment a bit with it and see.

  • Sunny says:

    I am in a situation in which I may need an ankle fusion due to an unfortunate accident several years ago. I was told by my orthopedic surgeon that I am too young a candidate for ankle replacement surgery, but an ankle to foot fusion would be my best option at this point. My general physician has prescribed Celebrex for pain control which makes me, to say the very least, extremeley tired and unmotivated. I am at a crossroads because my physician is saying to stay away from surgery due to my age (48 as of today!) and because I have 10 percent mobility. I have pain when walking on most days. My balance is horrible, I have not been able to work in years because I have too much pain. My ankle is also being held together by 8 titanium screws and two plates which will be with me forever. I was also told that I have osteoarthritis in that ankle. Any thoughts if Glucosamine would help at this point.? Any help will be appreciated.

  • admin says:

    That’s a tough one. I’d run the idea past your doctor, but really, I wouldn’t expect too much. While a loss of cartilage may be a component of your issue, obviously, there’s a ton more going on as well. You could have as much pain coming from those screws and plates as from anything, or from the original injury… it’s impossible to say.

    However, I will say this. Trying glucosamine isn’t going to HURT anything, either. Your worst case scenario is that you try it and it does nothing. So if it was me, I’d give it a try, but wouldn’t expect miracles. Even a small increase in mobility (or decrease in pain) would be a victory in my book. Good luck and let us know how you do!

  • Julie says:

    I’ve been taking Glucosamine 1500mg a day for about 5 years for knee joint pain. I know that I have virtually no cartilage on the lateral aspect of my joint as I’ve had an arthroscopy. The surgeon who did the surgery recommended Glucosamine as he’d seen some research that showed it was more effective than a placebo and that x-rays showed that new cartilage was being produced. He said that many of his patients were reporting a decrease in symptoms.

    I ran out of Glucosamine about 4 weeks ago. I am having considerably more pain. It took a while for me to link the two and of course it could be coincidence but I’m ordering a new lot and will keep taking it. If the pain goes then I suggest that Glucosamine is working for me. My mobility is pretty much the same most days. I have horses so they keep me active. Here’s hoping…

  • admin says:

    Julie, thanks for sharing your story with us, and let us know how you do!

  • Jack says:

    Hi, I am 39 now and got into running a regular running habbit over the last 4 years having done little to no running prior to that. I now run 25 miles/week at a reasonably fast pace. My knees do hurt after a long run (12+ miles run) and are just fine after a couple days of rest and back on regular schedules. I enjoy running and would like to continue as long as I can. Would Glucosomine help rebuild the wear and tear of my cartilage that I am subjecting my knees to during these runs? Can I take this as a precautionary supplement? How would I know if my cartilage is wearing faster then my body can rebuild? Is pain the only symption? I have not tested my knees beyond 15 miles, I am afriad that I may damage during these long runs. I do want to get into long endurance running (Marathons)….any advise is appreciated? Thanks

  • admin says:

    Hello Jack, to answer your questions, there really isn’t any way to check on a day-to-day basis if you’re breaking cartilage down faster than you’re building it back up. And really, pain only becomes a symptom after considerable damage has occured. I would say that yes, glucosamine probably can help push the balance in the right direction. I’d also suggest, if you’re looking to continue long runs over many more years, so try as much as possible to run on natural, soft surfaces (rather than concrete) and to mix up your runs with biking or other cardio cross-training to change the stress on your knees and let them recover from the last run. Hope that’s helpful!

  • Anita A. says:

    Andy…I just read your whole page and the majority of the comments regarding Glucosamine. I just started taking Glucosamine myself because it seemed like my joints were just falling apart. Since taking it I haven’t had any probs (knock on wood). However, the real reason for my comment is regarding the studies of Glucosamine. Perhaps the 50% rate for recovery may involve the different brands. Some products may be more beneficial than others What about liquid vs. pill form? Another varying factor might be whether the subject took the supplement with food vs. not with food.

  • admin says:

    Anita, you make great points. Brand quality is certainly going to vary, so whatever brand the researchers chose to use in their study is going to affect the results. Some (in fact, many) supplements are more easily assimilated by the body in liquid versus pill form, and having some food in the stomach can also help. These are all potentially confounding variables for studying the benefits of glucosamine. I’m glad to hear you’re getting good results, and even more glad to see that you are examining the subject with a critical eye!

  • Tristan says:

    Last year I had a hip arthoscopy and this year i had an ankle debridement and keyhole to tidy up the ankle joint. I started taking Glucosamine about 3 weeks but only in the week (not weekends) because my tablets are kept at work! Since my hip surgery I have suffered with what feels like a permanent groin strain (due to hip impingement still there im guessing). However that pain appears to have reduced significantly in the last couple of weeks. Really hope its not my imagination! To be fair my ankle doesnt feel much different but im hoping in time the glucosamine will improve those symptons too. I generally feel better in myself. Will let you know of further improvements. Im going to buy another bottle of pills for home so I can take them at the weekend also!

  • Steph says:

    I have DJD in my low back and chronic painful knees that pop and make weird noises when I bend down or walk up stairs. I do take a Glucosamine supplement that has other ingredients in it such as ginger root and turmeric to name a few. Its quite an expensive brand so its hard for me to justify paying that much a month for something that may or may not work. However, I absolutely notice a difference when I stop taking it so I will make Glucosamine a permanent part of my vitamin regimen. My question is what do you know about liquid Glucosamine? There is a particular one I’m perusing and its dose is the full shot of Glucosamine (1500mg) in one sitting. Do you know if that will be ineffective or less effective than the 3 times a day as you mentioned in your article above? I also am looking forward to trying out the theory about the exercise and Glucosamine. Thanks for the info.
    Steph

  • admin says:

    Thanks for sharing your story, Tristan! With that level of intervention in the ankle joint, it’s tough to recover fully, but I hope you’ll see some improvement in time!

  • admin says:

    I don’t know of any studies proving this, but I’ve found that spreading the dosage out does seem to be more effective. Your body does have a “saturation level” for nutrients, beyond which it simply can’t take the stuff in quickly enough and you just end up eliminating it. We know for Vitamin C, 4-500 mg is the upper limit, and calcium is about 4-500 mg as well. Strangely enough, 500 mg at a time seems to be ideal for glucosamine as well. So I wouldn’t recommend trying to take it all in at one go.

    Another good choice for inflammation overall (especially for joints) is fish oils. There’s several articles on this site about how to pick out good fish oil products. I also find that knees that pop as you describe are often linked to tight or imbalanced thigh muscles.

  • JC says:

    About a year and a 1/2 ago, I started experiencing severe hip pain and loss of flexibility. After two MRI’s , and multiple sets of xrays I was given a diagnosis of osteoarthritis and told that I would probably need a hip replacement within a few years. I was really in pain. I started on glucosomine 1500 mg a day, and I’m no longer experiencing pain. I still don’t have the flexability, but that’s really just an inconvenience. I also stopped running, and maybe that’s the reason I’m feeling better… but who knows…

  • Ben Im says:

    Following my physician’s advice that Glucosamine might affect blood pressure up, I have taken condroitin & MSM 500 only without Glucosamine twice a day since years. Now I am 68 years old and lately my lower waist/upper hips have begun hurting severely particularly when I get up from bed in the morning, stand up from chair and bend body foreward. As I agree with your rest-use-and-a certain glucosamine regimen, I am thinking to include Gluco. My questions: would it affect blood pressure in general? Golf cart pulling could have caused or worsened waist/hip pain ?

  • admin says:

    Ben, I’m not sure what you mean by golf cart pulling. It sounds a little bit like you might be having problems with your SI (sacroiliac) joints, the main weight bearing joints of the pelvis located right around where you see a “dimple” above the buttocks of a fit person. Glucosamine isn’t likely to help there. It might help the actual hip joint, but probably not the SI joint. As far as blood pressure goes, as far as I know, only animal studies have shown this effect and no human studies have shown blood pressure issues. However, safety first, so if you really want to try it out, discuss a “trial run” with your doctor so he can monitor you during a short experimental period of taking glucosamine, and that way you can discontinue immediately if there are any issues.

  • admin says:

    JC, I’m glad to hear you’ve managed to get out of pain… how are you with walking? Often I’ll tell people to see if they can walk two miles without pain, and if they can, I suggest walk a half mile, run a half mile times two to see if they can tolerate that. Then, it’s simply a matter of slowly scaling up. Or, there’s always biking and swimming, which are much more low-impact. Good luck!

  • Jayne says:

    Dear Andy, I want to try Glucosamine for joint pain but I have a slight mitral valve prolapse and am concerned that it may cause heart palpitations. Do you have any information on this? Thank you, I enjoyed reading your column.

  • Healthy Andy says:

    Hi Jayne, I’m unaware of any link between glucosamine and heart palpitations. I’d recommend easing into a full 1500 mg dosage, say 500 mg a day for a week, then 1000 mg, etc., with the supervision of your physician if you’re concerned about this sort of side effect.